"LOL - best excuse ever for null 3rd party results - "my technology is blacklisted - they are all lying"."

"I guess the fact that we now have tests at 1/600 the original claims make them look just a little bit unreal? People here know about that sort of thing!"

"Love the caps Peter. I'm sure there must be a name for this type of rhetorical flourish: Of course, A not B Where A is a truth universally help, as Austen would have it, and B is a proposition. The effect of the statement is to make B seem…"

"So: 5V/u k =500 => ED ~ 0.5 V/u Decent, but of little interest to people here? On the flip side, does not seem unreal like some of LTL's historic claims. There are a lot of people working on polymer/BT caps and your figures don't…"

"Quite right offgrid. The writing has been on the wall for 4 years, and it is reaaaly quite surprising things have continued this long. Reasons: Before Jk there was no obvious commitmnet to transparency, it meant the only comfortable thing was to…"

"Yes, I believe so, and that is a much less stringent requirement of course.  But DW did not claim to have anything suitable for even that in the B interview. "

"Well B and I seem to have views about what would be desirable. But, belectric, have you considered that EEstor have made no commitment with a timescale to test working layers. Therefore this may not happen... Best wishes, Tom"

"EI - actually if you read B's write-up carefully there was no such implication. DW said that he hoped eventually to have something suitable for Zenn. it was, if you read carefully, more of an aspiration than a statement of expected future…"

"Except: Zenn are nor stupid. Why create expectation of info and then silence? We know tests happened, but it seems they results cannot be released. DW in stealth has always ben conditional. He retreats to absolute stealth when there is no good…"

"You are lying to yourself here if you think that you can answer details on your own. Hubris. Bigmig, for example, writes walls of text that is interesting but contains a fatal flaw. BM will post what he thinks in detail, and defend it, so that he…"

"Would you like to quote a post in which I say that EEstor is fraudulent? You will not find one. Here however you are claiming that in certain circumstances (the EEstor patents not being real) SEAL & Zemnn 'must be' fraudulent. You…"

"Fibb, you are not precise. I'm not saying the patent measurements were fraudulent. I agree, Rud has done this, strongly. I personally have no evidence those funding EEstor were fraudulently deceived as to these measurements, and I don't…"

"The idea that the patents must represent real prototype components since destroyed or lost has been one of the idee fixee of this saga. Maybe you are right that many still believe it. I think though it is now only the die-hards. You definitely count…"

"It has been a great story. There is still mystery. While I think all now (except PeterP and a few other die-hards) realise those patent measurements were not real, there is less certainty about the SEAL measurements. They are not so much beyond all…"

"Well you are entitled to that opinion, and of course I cannot say there is no fraud. i just think you are being too extreme and not allowing shades of grey. "

"OK, I guess that is end of conversation. Pity, I thought we were getting somewhere. Anyone reading this thread can see how it ended... "